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Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:23 pm | |
| I have just finished "Animal Farm" - anyone ever read it? I loved it, although it became very depressing from the moment that Boxer died. Usually I do not mind characters' deaths when they are necessary (though why Dumbledore had to die, I'll never, ever understand!), but this one I found very sad. Also, the way that Orwell simplifies and illustrates Stalinism with the Commandments and the regular reports is incredible. I wonder if any Stalinist ever read the novel, and if they did, what they thought of it - but I don't suppose there will be much coverage on that point. A pity really... I would love to read it. | |
| | | Jane Master
Number of posts : 1077 Age : 30 Location : South Carolina, USA Dictionary Definition : Jane: Also known as "Ally," "Allison," and "freshmeat," this female Homo Sapiens specimen has proven herself a strong member of the Literary Cabinet world. One can recognize "Jane" by her taste in, especially older, men, many of them classic fictional characters, as well as her distinct fear of drama class auditions. Like many of the other species in the Literary Cabinet Universe, she is crazy in her own right. Registration date : 2008-12-04
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:06 pm | |
| I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:37 pm | |
| - Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... | |
| | | Kelsey Guru
Number of posts : 2780 Dictionary Definition : Kelsey-- Frequently called "Kels," this female specimen of Homo Sapiens belongs to the Literary Cabinet universe. Although she is a young member, she has shown her maturity to be above other species, sometimes. "Kelsey" can behave quite crazy in her own right. One of her most noticeable traits is paranoia and knowledge of trolls. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:34 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway. I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:59 pm | |
| - Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway.
I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. Strange - that is part of the fun for me, to pick it apart, analyse every single word to the last bit. It makes me feel that I understand the text more thoroughly. Then again, that may be the linguist in me. However, I do recall that I used to hate it when I was around sixteen. In German, we had to take apart "Effi Briest" to within an inch of its life. I questioned whether this could really have been the author's intention, and was informed that yes, it was. (On a side note, the first impression I got of Effi was that she was a naive nitwit - then I thoroughly analysed the book, and it turned out that she was an extremely naive nitwit. What an incredible use the analysis was. But "Animal Farm" is one of the books where I love analysing. In fact, I went back several times throughout the novel when something struck me. For instance, I put a permanent bookmark in the chapter with the commandments, and went back to them frequently. Also, when Mollie left, I reread all the parts in which she was mentioned before that, to make out her character - same with Snowball, only more extensive. It also appeared to me that the animals had trouble remembering things correctly (or at least, so Napoleon & Squealer said), and that is somehow projected onto the reader. | |
| | | Tourterelle Guru
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| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:03 pm | |
| I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two. | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:08 pm | |
| - Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. | |
| | | Tourterelle Guru
Number of posts : 7942 Age : 31 Location : Wisconsin, USA Dictionary Definition : Tourterelle--a unique specimen of the female gender of Homo Sapiens that exhibits behaviors such as excessive procrastination, chocolate creation (in direct contradiction to the Law of Conservation of Matter), and overall insanity. Common names include Nicholle, CQ (Chocolate Queen), Crackhead, and Miss Martini Maniac. Lately, this individual has reportedly been seen dancing in a banana costume and drinking an excessive amount of martinis. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:11 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. Yes, I figured that much out. Napoleon is supposed to represent Stalin, right? Both use propaganda to gain followers. | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:16 pm | |
| - Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. Yes, I figured that much out. Napoleon is supposed to represent Stalin, right? Both use propaganda to gain followers. Exactly. Both work with detailed plans and quotas, both take care to appear as a "comrade", but in fact place themselves above everyone else, both are sly and dishonest. The dogs represent the Red Army, Snowball is Trotsky, the sheep are the gullible masses, and so on. I really find it fascinating how Orwell manages to create the exact same relations in a completely different environment. | |
| | | Tourterelle Guru
Number of posts : 7942 Age : 31 Location : Wisconsin, USA Dictionary Definition : Tourterelle--a unique specimen of the female gender of Homo Sapiens that exhibits behaviors such as excessive procrastination, chocolate creation (in direct contradiction to the Law of Conservation of Matter), and overall insanity. Common names include Nicholle, CQ (Chocolate Queen), Crackhead, and Miss Martini Maniac. Lately, this individual has reportedly been seen dancing in a banana costume and drinking an excessive amount of martinis. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:19 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. Yes, I figured that much out. Napoleon is supposed to represent Stalin, right? Both use propaganda to gain followers. Exactly. Both work with detailed plans and quotas, both take care to appear as a "comrade", but in fact place themselves above everyone else, both are sly and dishonest. The dogs represent the Red Army, Snowball is Trotsky, the sheep are the gullible masses, and so on. I really find it fascinating how Orwell manages to create the exact same relations in a completely different environment. You've analyzed this book before. Was anyone aware of who Orwell's characters symbolized when the book was first written? | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:21 pm | |
| - Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. Yes, I figured that much out. Napoleon is supposed to represent Stalin, right? Both use propaganda to gain followers. Exactly. Both work with detailed plans and quotas, both take care to appear as a "comrade", but in fact place themselves above everyone else, both are sly and dishonest. The dogs represent the Red Army, Snowball is Trotsky, the sheep are the gullible masses, and so on. I really find it fascinating how Orwell manages to create the exact same relations in a completely different environment. You've analyzed this book before. Was anyone aware of who Orwell's characters symbolized when the book was first written? Actually, I haven't I started reading it on Wednesday, finished yesterday, and did the analysis along the way - one of the benefits that come with being a historian. I hope this does not come across as arrogant - if so, I am very sorry! | |
| | | Tourterelle Guru
Number of posts : 7942 Age : 31 Location : Wisconsin, USA Dictionary Definition : Tourterelle--a unique specimen of the female gender of Homo Sapiens that exhibits behaviors such as excessive procrastination, chocolate creation (in direct contradiction to the Law of Conservation of Matter), and overall insanity. Common names include Nicholle, CQ (Chocolate Queen), Crackhead, and Miss Martini Maniac. Lately, this individual has reportedly been seen dancing in a banana costume and drinking an excessive amount of martinis. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:26 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Nicholle wrote:
- I read Animal Farm earlier this year. I liked it, but considering I know very little of the Russian Revolution (I just read Animal Farm for myself), I couldn't compare the two.
Well, it is not so much about the Russian Revolution (only a small part at the beginning is), but moves on quickly to Stalinism. Yes, I figured that much out. Napoleon is supposed to represent Stalin, right? Both use propaganda to gain followers. Exactly. Both work with detailed plans and quotas, both take care to appear as a "comrade", but in fact place themselves above everyone else, both are sly and dishonest. The dogs represent the Red Army, Snowball is Trotsky, the sheep are the gullible masses, and so on. I really find it fascinating how Orwell manages to create the exact same relations in a completely different environment. You've analyzed this book before. Was anyone aware of who Orwell's characters symbolized when the book was first written? Actually, I haven't I started reading it on Wednesday, finished yesterday, and did the analysis along the way - one of the benefits that come with being a historian. I hope this does not come across as arrogant - if so, I am very sorry! - Quote :
- But "Animal Farm" is one of the books where I love analysing.
I assumed you had. My bad. Still, it would have been interesting if Stalin knew of the comparison. | |
| | | Kelsey Guru
Number of posts : 2780 Dictionary Definition : Kelsey-- Frequently called "Kels," this female specimen of Homo Sapiens belongs to the Literary Cabinet universe. Although she is a young member, she has shown her maturity to be above other species, sometimes. "Kelsey" can behave quite crazy in her own right. One of her most noticeable traits is paranoia and knowledge of trolls. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:38 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway.
I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. Strange - that is part of the fun for me, to pick it apart, analyse every single word to the last bit. It makes me feel that I understand the text more thoroughly. Then again, that may be the linguist in me. It wasn't the text I had to pick apart. It was the plot and characters themselves. That's what I hated about it, because I had to take chapters from a textbook and pick apart how it matched Animal Farm. It was enough to drive anyone nutty. | |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:39 pm | |
| - Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway.
I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. Strange - that is part of the fun for me, to pick it apart, analyse every single word to the last bit. It makes me feel that I understand the text more thoroughly. Then again, that may be the linguist in me. It wasn't the text I had to pick apart. It was the plot and characters themselves. That's what I hated about it, because I had to take chapters from a textbook and pick apart how it matched Animal Farm. It was enough to drive anyone nutty. I see, that must be boring. There is too little emotion involved in that, isn't it? | |
| | | Kelsey Guru
Number of posts : 2780 Dictionary Definition : Kelsey-- Frequently called "Kels," this female specimen of Homo Sapiens belongs to the Literary Cabinet universe. Although she is a young member, she has shown her maturity to be above other species, sometimes. "Kelsey" can behave quite crazy in her own right. One of her most noticeable traits is paranoia and knowledge of trolls. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:42 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway.
I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. Strange - that is part of the fun for me, to pick it apart, analyse every single word to the last bit. It makes me feel that I understand the text more thoroughly. Then again, that may be the linguist in me. It wasn't the text I had to pick apart. It was the plot and characters themselves. That's what I hated about it, because I had to take chapters from a textbook and pick apart how it matched Animal Farm. It was enough to drive anyone nutty. I see, that must be boring. There is too little emotion involved in that, isn't it? It just felt kind of pointless. Though I did learn a lot, which I suppose was the point. I think I still have the paper. | |
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| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:19 pm | |
| - Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Rhea wrote:
- Laura wrote:
- Allison wrote:
- I read Animal Farm a few months ago, and I thought it was very good. Boxer's death had me on the verge of tears. My favorite part of the whole thing was the last sentence. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
That is also lovely... Of all animals, the pigs are depicted as the bastards... It was a shame. I like pigs. I have a whole collection of pig memorabilia on a shelf and everything. Anyway.
I liked the book a lot. It kind of ruined it for me when I had to pick each aspect apart and pair it with an aspect of the Russian Revolution and write a paper on it, but I feel very informed, at least. Strange - that is part of the fun for me, to pick it apart, analyse every single word to the last bit. It makes me feel that I understand the text more thoroughly. Then again, that may be the linguist in me. It wasn't the text I had to pick apart. It was the plot and characters themselves. That's what I hated about it, because I had to take chapters from a textbook and pick apart how it matched Animal Farm. It was enough to drive anyone nutty. I see, that must be boring. There is too little emotion involved in that, isn't it? It just felt kind of pointless. Though I did learn a lot, which I suppose was the point. I think I still have the paper. Animal Farm does sort of simplify the aspects of the Russian Revolution and Stalinism in general, excluding a lot of aspects of the Russian revolution. I like Animal Farm in theory. Does that make sense? It isn't really my type of book, but yes, I liked it - somewhat. Trying to get every aspect of the book to tie with the Russian Revolution is not only brain-wracking, it's forcing you to make sort-of connections when they don't even exist. How fortunate that the essay fell to your lot instead of mine. Did anyone see the Animal Farm cartoon? |
| | | Laura Admin
Number of posts : 2387 Age : 38 Location : Germany Dictionary Definition : Laura: Also known as "Solveig", her internet pseudonym, this female specimen of Homo Sapiens founded the Literary Cabinet world. One can spot "Laura," by the fun she has grading papers and drinking coffee, with triple coffee consumption ever since she quit smoking. Like another species, Homo Sapiens Zarasahanous, she enjoys picking at the extreme Twilight fans. This specimen is particularly fond of procrastinating, as most of the other species of the Literary Cabinet Universe are. Registration date : 2008-12-02
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:31 pm | |
| - Luthien wrote:
Animal Farm does sort of simplify the aspects of the Russian Revolution and Stalinism in general, excluding a lot of aspects of the Russian revolution. I like Animal Farm in theory. Does that make sense? It isn't really my type of book, but yes, I liked it - somewhat. Trying to get every aspect of the book to tie with the Russian Revolution is not only brain-wracking, it's forcing you to make sort-of connections when they don't even exist. How fortunate that the essay fell to your lot instead of mine. Did anyone see the Animal Farm cartoon? No, but I was thinking about watching the recent version. Is it worth the trouble of locating a copy? | |
| | | Kelsey Guru
Number of posts : 2780 Dictionary Definition : Kelsey-- Frequently called "Kels," this female specimen of Homo Sapiens belongs to the Literary Cabinet universe. Although she is a young member, she has shown her maturity to be above other species, sometimes. "Kelsey" can behave quite crazy in her own right. One of her most noticeable traits is paranoia and knowledge of trolls. Registration date : 2008-12-03
| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:26 pm | |
| - Laura wrote:
- Luthien wrote:
Animal Farm does sort of simplify the aspects of the Russian Revolution and Stalinism in general, excluding a lot of aspects of the Russian revolution. I like Animal Farm in theory. Does that make sense? It isn't really my type of book, but yes, I liked it - somewhat. Trying to get every aspect of the book to tie with the Russian Revolution is not only brain-wracking, it's forcing you to make sort-of connections when they don't even exist. How fortunate that the essay fell to your lot instead of mine. Did anyone see the Animal Farm cartoon? No, but I was thinking about watching the recent version. Is it worth the trouble of locating a copy? The cartoon is a terrible movie. It was put out by the US government as an attempt to turn as many Americans against socialism as possible, at the cost of ignoring certain things in the book. The live-action is terribly cheesy, but isn't a political cartoon, at least. | |
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| Subject: Re: Animal Farm Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:09 am | |
| The cartoon IS terrible, actually. But I've never seen the live action version. |
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